Terminator Salvation
So. This isn’t a review, because the more I think about this movie, the less happy I am with it, so I’m going to stop thinking too much about it.
This is one of those movies that I mostly enjoyed while I was watching it (especially the first part, before I realized that nothing I’d hoped or expected to see in a Terminator movie was going to show up) and right after I came back home, and I would have enjoyed a lot more if I hadn’t been such a fan of the other Terminator movies (1&2 — you know I don’t really count 3). This didn’t *feel* like a Terminator movie to me, and I didn’t realize until coming out how necessary the role of someone as protector was to my idea of these movies.
I mentioned on Facebook and Twitter that a lot more went into the explosions than into character, and that I really felt the heart of the first two movies was missing here. There weren’t any characters to connect with, not really. John Connor’s character wasn’t revealed in any significant way, and if he had an arc, I didn’t see it so much (but, to be fair, we did see how he became the leader of the resistance). The people around him were … well, they didn’t really have any personalities. I didn’t feel any connection *between* them, and I felt as if I was being told that there was a connection there, just because I knew the relationships — but we were never shown any kind of connection, and nothing to any of the characters beyond the surface level.
Also, the Terminator movies have always been about Sarah and John Connor, and someone in a protector role. I could accept that Sarah was gone in this movie … but although John was there quite a bit, the movie wasn’t his. No, it was Marcus’s, whose character didn’t really have an arc or decision to make, either — although he was the most sympathetic character in the movie. I missed the setup of someone as protector (Marcus didn’t really fit that, though I thought they were *trying* for that — as I mentioned before, far more affecting, to me, would have been a reversal: Connor trying to protect Reese after the kid was scheduled for termination…then after saving him, sending him off to the past to be killed.) And even if I just watch it as a post-apocalyptic movie, it doesn’t bring anything really new to the table (a few scenes felt like they came straight out of the recent War of the Worlds movie … but it does have some nice action scenes).
So, there it is. To me, the movies have always been about relationships (Kyle/Sarah, Sarah/John, John/the Terminator) and there just wasn’t much here to see. We never got below the surface. And although I was pleased by some of the surface stuff … it just doesn’t hold up.
Sigh.
ETA: I’ve heard that the script and the production was rushed through after the writer’s strike. I can definitely, definitely see how that might have affected this movie, and the lack of characterization. I think the bones are there, and good … the execution and the whatever-it-is about these movies that makes me *care* just didn’t come through. The late Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles did that a million times better than this movie did.

Hi Meljean
I had high hopes for this movie. I still want to see it, because you know, it is a Terminator movie (who plays the part of the Terminator? Is there a Terminator?). I wondered what the writers strike was doing to some of the movies. We have had a whole of crap movies because of it. I hope HP6 is okay. I’ve read the strike disrupted production and delayed many movies, but I’d hoped that they were getting past that now.
I read somewhere that both Christian Bale and the director passed on this movie originally after reading the script. Then they brought in another writer, let him go apeshit, and decided to work on the movie after that. And Christian Bale originally wanted the role of Marcus but went for John Connor afterwards.
Anytime they constantly switch the script and fire writers to let someone else rewrite the whole thing? Never a good sign. Never.
I agree that it was a bad sign — but in a way, the whole Bale thing that was “this script is shit, go back and show me another” gave me hope…because he does seem to be all about the character.
What’s really sad is that this movie HAS what it needs to be a great film. The plot isn’t such a problem, it’s that the emotional and character focus is in the wrong spot, and there’s no real depth to it.
SPOILERISH STUFF FOLLOWS!!!!!
Because, the guy who wakes up in a post-apocalyptic world and has to struggle with the realization that he’s a cyborg and his character never wavers from being human (seriously, there is no struggle with his cyborg/terminator side) VS the people who’ve been living this really awful existence, are on the edge of extinction, and who’ve put their faith in someone who is essentially a prophet? There’s no contest. But they focused on the guy who wakes up a cyborg rather than the people who’ve been living and fighting … and so the movie suffered for it. Suffered a LOT for it.
@Dottie: There is a Terminator … kind of. I don’t want to be super spoilerish (though, if you are wondering, you can look at the spoiler part of the above post) even though it’s pretty obvious from the beginning who the Terminator-ish person is.
It’s not that it was all bad. It’s just that the first Terminator movies set such a high bar, and this didn’t live up to it. It was a decent post-apocalyptic movie, but just didn’t feel like a Terminator film, despite the familiar-looking machines.
Okay, not reading the spoiler posts because of course I will go and see this, but … NOOOOO!
I keep hearing it’s just not all it could be.
I was so disappointed in this movie. I didn’t hate it, but man, I felt let down. I will take the 3rd installment over this one anyday. Really, why did we need to know so much about Marcus? Sure his character had a significant role in bringing John and Kyle together, and he was kinda hot but considering his role and where it went, it didn’t make sense that so much of the movie concentrated on him.
I liked it for what it was – an action movie set in a dystopian future with hot guys in peril. As a character study, it did fail pretty much. I felt far more for Marcus than I did for Connor, and if they were going to go in that direction, I wish they would have fully committed. Too, I agree with the idea that focusing on the Connor/Kyle Reese relationship would have been much better, with Marcus set up as the unexpected protector.
One thing that I can’t manage to include in my suspension of disbelief is the idea of machines being able to take over the world. I kept wondering, how do machines manage to procure enough raw materials to make more machines? The whole premise of the Terminator world is that when Judgment Day happens, the entire world has been automated so that once the machines become aware, they can exist and continue entirely without any human involvement. I can’t imagine that.